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Brian (Cat)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: Looking for books recommendations on classical qualitative c Reply with quote

Hey Guys, I'm looking for books recommendations on classical
qualitative chemical analysis. Much of the modern information I've
seen is based on instrumental methods, rather then wet test-tube
methods. I work for a very, very small company, we can not afford,
expensive computerized tools.

We'd love to have a master index of detection protocols for inorganic
chemicals, also a book on general procedures. Any recommendations are
much appreciated.

Thank you for any help,
-Brian
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Bill Penrose
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for books recommendations on classical qualitati Reply with quote

On Jul 10, 5:01 am, "Brian (Cat)" <paone...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Hey Guys, I'm looking for books recommendations on classical
qualitative chemical analysis.

There are some sources here:
http://www.modernmicroscopy.com/main.asp?article=69&page=1

You can't do much better than Feigl's 'Spot Tests'. The inorganic
version is out of print but still available through Ebay and Amazon
stores. You may have to look pretty carefully.

The organic version comes in at $300 (new) for the 1983 seventh
edition, but the 7th Edition is scarcely different from my Fifth
Edition, 1956, which I picked up at a used bookshop for $22.

Dangerous Bill
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Marvin
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for books recommendations on classical qualitati Reply with quote

Brian (Cat) wrote:
Quote:
Hey Guys, I'm looking for books recommendations on classical
qualitative chemical analysis. Much of the modern information I've
seen is based on instrumental methods, rather then wet test-tube
methods. I work for a very, very small company, we can not afford,
expensive computerized tools.

We'd love to have a master index of detection protocols for inorganic
chemicals, also a book on general procedures. Any recommendations are
much appreciated.

Thank you for any help,
-Brian

Unless you have competent lab workers on minimum wage, I
don't think you can really afford the old wet chemical
methods. There is also the cost of reagents, and the even
higher cost of disposing of the used reagents. Have you
considered sending samples to a testing lab?
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Bob M
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for books recommendations on classical qualitati Reply with quote

I run a small lab doing contract work. A considerable amount is
classical analysis. The interesting thing is that many of the
instrumental methods rely on standards that have previously analysed
by classical procedures. I get a few jobs analysing reference
materials for other labs instrumental procedures.
Classical methods also generally have a much better precision than
instumental methods.

Remember classical procedures require more skilled and expensive staff
and are much much more expensive to run than instrumental method.

As far as books I have approximately five metres of books on chemical
analysis.
If you let me know what you were wanting to analyse for I may be able
to find a few specific methods. You must remember that few methods of
analysis are universal and that analyte, matrix and precision must be
taken into account. For example I use five different methods for
examining the alcohol content of products matrices include high
alcohol spirits, standard beer and wines, low alcohol beer, trace
alcohols in natural fruit juices, and cream liqueurs.

Bob M
www.molab.co.nz
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for books recommendations on classical qualitati Reply with quote

On Jul 11, 3:27 am, Bob M <mo...@ww.co.nz> wrote:
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I run a small lab doing contract work. A considerable amount is
classical analysis. The interesting thing is that many of the
instrumental methods rely on standards that have previously analysed
by classical procedures. I get a few jobs analysing reference
materials for other labs instrumental procedures.
Classical methods also generally have a much better precision than
instumental methods.


They are still listed as the referee method for most assay work ...
For that very reason ... I might add accuracy also ...
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Bill Penrose
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for books recommendations on classical qualitati Reply with quote

On Jul 11, 12:27 am, Bob M <mo...@ww.co.nz> wrote:
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Remember classical procedures require more skilled and expensive staff
and are much much more expensive to run than instrumental method.

I thought he said 'qualitative' analysis.

DB
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Mark Thorson
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:12 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for books recommendations on classical qualitati Reply with quote

Bill Penrose wrote:
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You can't do much better than Feigl's 'Spot Tests'. The inorganic
version is out of print but still available through Ebay and Amazon
stores. You may have to look pretty carefully.

The organic version comes in at $300 (new) for the 1983 seventh
edition, but the 7th Edition is scarcely different from my Fifth
Edition, 1956, which I picked up at a used bookshop for $22.

There are 149 listings here:

http://www.addall.com/Used/

Many of these are duplicate listings.
Note that it was a single volume in the first
three editions, two volumes beginning with
the fourth edition. Volume 1 is inorganic,
and volume 2 is organic.
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