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Uncle Al
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 Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: Re: Help end wage-slavery |
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On Jul 12, 9:54 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
If you think things are expensive when you pay for them, just wait
until the government gives them to you for free. Government cannot
award people what it first has not stolen from them. What one man
receives without effort is confiscated from another who labors.
1) Do not penalize the productive.
2) Do not reward the unproductive.
3) Bottom line: Do NOTHING - no social engineering.
4) All economic problems will solve themselves within 90 days.
5) The alternative is mathematically inevitable utter ruin,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/comprom.htm
We are from the government. We are here to help ourselves to you. We
have come for a piece of all mankind.
This isn't an argument and I'm well out of high school.
Your 'plan' is nothing.
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That's right, nothing. No government interference except for the big
things like national defense and currency - then, good and hard. The
indigent will not starve less State-mandated charity. They will work
or starve. That's a good choice. That is always the best choice
throughout history. If you cannot afford medical care you die, or
medical care recouples price and cost. Hey homie, don't get shot or
stabbed in a gang turf war without a bankroll.
Entered Parris Island you could march out a Marine, be imprisoned with
hard labor, or be carried out in a box. Most chose the hard way. Now
the Crucible is scaled down for big-ass Marines. The US deserves to
die.
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 |
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Benj
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Help end wage-slavery |
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On Jul 12, 11:54 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
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[snip high school fabulist crap]
If you think things are expensive when you pay for them, just wait
until the government gives them to you for free. Government cannot
award people what it first has not stolen from them. What one man
receives without effort is confiscated from another who labors.
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Ah so. Only this is a very OLD idea. Nixon (remember that
"personification of evil" of the uber left?) proposed to END ALL
POVERTY for citizens of the united states. No, not a "great society"
or "War against poverty" or "1000 points of light". it was the
"negative" income tax. Above the official "poverty level" everybody
pays taxes as usual, but once your income dropped below the poverty
line, you'd get a tax "refund" rather than paying taxes to provide the
money to boost you back to the poverty level. Sure there'd be some
people who'd not work at all and live at the poverty level for free.
It didn't need to be set real high. But it might keep them in beer,
cigarettes, guns and ammo. But most wouldn't opt for that. And IF you
wanted to live better, all you had to do was work harder and make more
money! No millions of bureaucrats watching the poor and setting rules
to keep them oppressed and making sure that if they earn an extra dime
they lose everything! In fact, ALL those bureaucrats not needed at
all! All of them FIRED! Not only would this have eliminated ALL
poverty in America but also SAVED money too. Note that it was
estimated if all the money spent on welfare and "helping' the
"poor" (in those days) were instead simply GIVEN TO THEM, they'd each
be getting $30,000 a year! Needless to say they weren't getting it.
So. There is is. A plan to cut costs for helping the poor. A plan to
ACTUALLY eliminate ALL poverty in the country FOREVER! A plan that
would greatly reduce the size of government by eliminating
administration of programs for the "poor". [Their'd be no more poor,
remember?] And would actually lower taxes while eliminating poverty.
Here's the history test, kiddies: What happened to this plan? I'll
give you ONE guess. That's right. EVERY POLITICIAN and BUREAUCRAT in
Washington and beyond was dead set AGAINST this idea. Democrats,
Republicans, independents, socialists, commies, EVERY ONE OF THEM
opposed this idea. EVERYBODY with a voice in government wanted to keep
poor people poor! Absolutely nobody wanted to give the poor a way out
of poverty. Nobody wanted them anything but totally subservient and
dependent upon government hand-outs. It's a wonder they didn't
propose handing out blankets for the poor infected with small pox.
So that is what YOUR bunch of lying politicians in Washington are all
about. They talk the talk but do not walk the walk. All they know is
grab the money and grab the power. And a freely upward mobile
underclass is definitely what they DO NOT want to see.
So much for the "negative tax" as a solution to anything. |
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tadchem
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Help end wage-slavery |
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On Jul 12, 4:59 am, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The only way to "end wage slavery" is to end wages.
That means bringing back REAL slavery.
Consider how well governments have done running things like a health
care system (the Veteran's Administration), mass transit (AMTRAK), and
the wars on poverty, terrorism, and so on.
Unfortunately, in the real world there are people who will kick back
and do nothing but whine (as Phil Gramm pointed out) while expecting
the government to give them everything they ask for free. Some people
just don't have the personal motivation to live as Libertarians - to
"Live Free of Die".
Socialism rapidly degenerates into first a feudal system and then an
autocracy.
Do you REALLY want your whole life run by under-motivated civil
servants who have no personal knowledge of your situation and no
vested interest in improving it? People who can sit and watch, doing
nothing as a patient spends 24 hours dying from DVT while waiting in
an *Emergency Room*?
Tom Davidson
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Andrew Usher
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Help end wage-slavery |
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On Jul 13, 5:52 am, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
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Consider how well governments have done running things like a health
care system (the Veteran's Administration), mass transit (AMTRAK), and
the wars on poverty, terrorism, and so on.
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Well, the basic income is too simple to run incompetently, so that's
not a concern. It's true that it would be accompanied by universal
health care, but the experience of other countries that have it shows
that it's not that bad. Mostly your assertions are just rhetoric.
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Unfortunately, in the real world there are people who will kick back
and do nothing but whine (as Phil Gramm pointed out) while expecting
the government to give them everything they ask for free. Some people
just don't have the personal motivation to live as Libertarians - to
"Live Free of Die".
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Freedom to work for a corporate master is not freedom. 'Whining'
has nothing to do with it.
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Socialism rapidly degenerates into first a feudal system and then an
autocracy.
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And I suppose you could cite some real examples of this
transformation?
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Do you REALLY want your whole life run by under-motivated civil
servants who have no personal knowledge of your situation and no
vested interest in improving it? People who can sit and watch, doing
nothing as a patient spends 24 hours dying from DVT while waiting in
an *Emergency Room*?
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Government health care could actually prevent such tragedies;
private health care has no incentive to, especially in the form
in which we implement it. A truly private health system would
involve everyone paying cash up front and I don't see anyone
proposing that.
Andrew Usher |
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Andrew Usher
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Help end wage-slavery |
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On Jul 13, 1:36 am, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
<snip good presentation>
Yeah, that's basically what the basic income does - completely
ends poverty. And we need it especially for all the bureaucrats
thrown out of work by it!
Andrew Usher |
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rdubose@pdq.net
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Help end wage-slavery |
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On Jul 13, 5:26 am, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jul 13, 5:52 am, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
Consider how well governments have done running things like a health
care system (the Veteran's Administration), mass transit (AMTRAK), and
the wars on poverty, terrorism, and so on.
Well, the basic income is too simple to run incompetently, so that's
not a concern. It's true that it would be accompanied by universal
health care, but the experience of other countries that have it shows
that it's not that bad. Mostly your assertions are just rhetoric.
Unfortunately, in the real world there are people who will kick back
and do nothing but whine (as Phil Gramm pointed out) while expecting
the government to give them everything they ask for free. Some people
just don't have the personal motivation to live as Libertarians - to
"Live Free of Die".
Freedom to work for a corporate master is not freedom. 'Whining'
has nothing to do with it.
Socialism rapidly degenerates into first a feudal system and then an
autocracy.
And I suppose you could cite some real examples of this
transformation?
Do you REALLY want your whole life run by under-motivated civil
servants who have no personal knowledge of your situation and no
vested interest in improving it? People who can sit and watch, doing
nothing as a patient spends 24 hours dying from DVT while waiting in
an *Emergency Room*?
Government health care could actually prevent such tragedies;
private health care has no incentive to, especially in the form
in which we implement it. A truly private health system would
involve everyone paying cash up front and I don't see anyone
proposing that.
Andrew Usher
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I do see the logic in your ideas. Your proposal is not all bad. I am
afraid however that in practice the truism, "Character is Destiny"
would still exert itself. IOWs, way too many people and groups would
convert those monthly checks straight into booze and crack and never
do anything useful or located in reality their whole lives. THe
Founders of this country mostly agreed that a system like ours really
only can work when the bulk of the people act for the most part in
socially responsible ways. Freedom, at the end of the day, cannot
exist for long unless it is generally understood to mean freedom to
choose your own way to be industrious and un-hurtful. And how would
having children grow up (all children not just from loser/dependency
ridden groups) believing from birth that no effort from them is
required to be a member in good standing? Why is it that there is so
much downward mobility in America? Lots of kids of the successful fail
to develop the drive and sense of realism needed to get off their
asses.
I am of the opinion that the difference between progressive successful
societies and the other kind is found in how the top half behaves and
not in regard to the bottom layers. Inert, stoned, criminal folks are
the same everywhere. The question is, do the potential winners make a
dash for it or not.
So, is a trust fund from birth more like a cup of coffee in the
morning or a bong-hit of weed? |
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jmfbahciv
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Help end wage-slavery |
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Andrew Usher wrote:
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On Jul 12, 6:30 am, Tomoko Kanazawa dom arigato
huangxienc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Economists and rich people everywhere will criticize this and probably
try to kill you.
Here's an interesting question. When we finally have enough robots and
automation to do "all" of the work, what will people do with
themselves ?
Ultimately, man must transition from being primarily a producer of
tangible goods into a producer of intangible goods. Can that
transformation take place without millions of people dieing in the
process ?
As far as the psychological factors, I don't know. I'm sure we'll have
to find a way.
My plan only ensures that the economy will not suffer a crisis due
to this -
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Right. It will be completely destroyed.
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that's the extent of my competence, I don't think anyone
can really plan out how people should live.
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But your writeup has everybody becoming poor and loving it.
/BAH
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jmfbahciv
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Help end wage-slavery |
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Andrew Usher wrote:
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On Jul 13, 1:36 am, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
snip good presentation
Yeah, that's basically what the basic income does - completely
ends poverty. And we need it especially for all the bureaucrats
thrown out of work by it!
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You need to work two years on a farm that has not been mechanized.
/BAH |
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pnachtwey
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Libertarianism is FORCE (was Re: Help end wage-slavery) |
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If you don't want to be a wage slave you are free to get your own
company. Leave us alone.
Can't you see it is you that is trying to force your will on everyone
else?
Peter Nachtwey |
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Bill Penrose
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Libertarianism is FORCE (was Re: Help end wage-slavery) |
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On Jul 12, 5:40 pm, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Why do libertarians think this way? It is because they
fantasise they they are such special people that they
would 'make it' in any social system,
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The economics theory journal Mad Magazine once put it, "He never knew
how many people it takes to make one self-made man."
Dangerous Bill |
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Avenger
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Help end wage-slavery |
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<rdubose@pdq.net> wrote in message
news:d6a8102f-6cc7-416e-83bb-6d15775869b8@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 13, 5:26 am, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jul 13, 5:52 am, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
Consider how well governments have done running things like a health
care system (the Veteran's Administration), mass transit (AMTRAK), and
the wars on poverty, terrorism, and so on.
Well, the basic income is too simple to run incompetently, so that's
not a concern. It's true that it would be accompanied by universal
health care, but the experience of other countries that have it shows
that it's not that bad. Mostly your assertions are just rhetoric.
Unfortunately, in the real world there are people who will kick back
and do nothing but whine (as Phil Gramm pointed out) while expecting
the government to give them everything they ask for free. Some people
just don't have the personal motivation to live as Libertarians - to
"Live Free of Die".
Freedom to work for a corporate master is not freedom. 'Whining'
has nothing to do with it.
Socialism rapidly degenerates into first a feudal system and then an
autocracy.
And I suppose you could cite some real examples of this
transformation?
Do you REALLY want your whole life run by under-motivated civil
servants who have no personal knowledge of your situation and no
vested interest in improving it? People who can sit and watch, doing
nothing as a patient spends 24 hours dying from DVT while waiting in
an *Emergency Room*?
Government health care could actually prevent such tragedies;
private health care has no incentive to, especially in the form
in which we implement it. A truly private health system would
involve everyone paying cash up front and I don't see anyone
proposing that.
Andrew Usher
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I do see the logic in your ideas. Your proposal is not all bad. I am
afraid however that in practice the truism, "Character is Destiny"
would still exert itself. IOWs, way too many people and groups would
convert those monthly checks straight into booze and crack
They're doing it now. A good 10% of the US lives this way. You want to make
it 90%?
and never
do anything useful or located in reality their whole lives. THe
Founders of this country mostly agreed that a system like ours really
only can work when the bulk of the people act for the most part in
socially responsible ways.
The population back then was mostly homogenous and literate. Craftsmen and
workers were well paid and lived decently for the time.
Freedom, at the end of the day, cannot
exist for long unless it is generally understood to mean freedom to
choose your own way to be industrious and un-hurtful. And how would
having children grow up (all children not just from loser/dependency
ridden groups) believing from birth that no effort from them is
required to be a member in good standing? Why is it that there is so
much downward mobility in America? Lots of kids of the successful fail
to develop the drive and sense of realism needed to get off their
asses.
Well, it's even higher among the unsucessful. At least the children of the
sucessful had a good model and probably got some education pounded into
their heads. The lower orders are completely lost with only rare exceptions.
I am of the opinion that the difference between progressive successful
societies and the other kind is found in how the top half behaves and
not in regard to the bottom layers. Inert, stoned, criminal folks are
the same everywhere. The question is, do the potential winners make a
dash for it or not.
So, is a trust fund from birth more like a cup of coffee in the
morning or a bong-hit of weed?
From what I've seen it's more like a sedative. |
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Avenger
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Help end wage-slavery |
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"Andrew Usher" <k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 13, 5:52 am, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
Consider how well governments have done running things like a health
care system (the Veteran's Administration), mass transit (AMTRAK), and
the wars on poverty, terrorism, and so on.
Well, the basic income is too simple to run incompetently, so that's
not a concern. It's true that it would be accompanied by universal
health care, but the experience of other countries that have it shows
that it's not that bad. Mostly your assertions are just rhetoric.
Unfortunately, in the real world there are people who will kick back
and do nothing but whine (as Phil Gramm pointed out) while expecting
the government to give them everything they ask for free. Some people
just don't have the personal motivation to live as Libertarians - to
"Live Free of Die".
Freedom to work for a corporate master is not freedom. 'Whining'
has nothing to do with it.
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There will always be the Alphas, Betas and Gammas in every society
regardless of whether it is a capitalistic or communist one. You think the
2% in the communist party in Russia lived like the rest of the people? The
top people had the best residences in Moscow and country estates or dachas
outside in the surburbs or in Sochi. They shopped at special stores or
bought what they wanted on trips outside of Russia.
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Socialism rapidly degenerates into first a feudal system and then an
autocracy.
And I suppose you could cite some real examples of this
transformation?
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Every place where it's been tried. You had the elite and the proles not too
different than in the novel 1984.
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Do you REALLY want your whole life run by under-motivated civil
servants who have no personal knowledge of your situation and no
vested interest in improving it? People who can sit and watch, doing
nothing as a patient spends 24 hours dying from DVT while waiting in
an *Emergency Room*?
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Let's remember that this was a psychiatric hospital and personal sees people
rolling on the floor all the time. Yes, they should be more diligent but in
99% of the cases it's just one of the mental patients acting up.
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Government health care could actually prevent such tragedies;
private health care has no incentive to,
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They certainly do; it's called a lawsuit. The government is immune in many
cases or there are strict rules and procedures you need to follow to sue the
gov't and there are usually limits on the judgements and punitive danages
(if any allowed at all)
especially in the form
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in which we implement it. A truly private health system would
involve everyone paying cash up front and I don't see anyone
proposing that.
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You see this all the time in places like the UK where there is socialised
medicine. If you want the good doctors at your convenience you either pay up
front or show that you have private insurance to pay the bill.
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Viking
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Help end wage-slavery |
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:30:23 -0700 (PDT), Tomoko Kanazawa dom arigato
<huangxienchen@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Economists and rich people everywhere will criticize this and probably
try to kill you.
Here's an interesting question. When we finally have enough robots and
automation to do "all" of the work, what will people do with
themselves ?
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Starve. It's the people who OWN the robots that will prosper. |
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Fred Kasner
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:28 am Post subject: Re: Help end wage-slavery |
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Avenger wrote:
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rdubose@pdq.net> wrote in message
news:d6a8102f-6cc7-416e-83bb-6d15775869b8@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 13, 5:26 am, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 13, 5:52 am, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
Consider how well governments have done running things like a health
care system (the Veteran's Administration), mass transit (AMTRAK), and
the wars on poverty, terrorism, and so on.
Well, the basic income is too simple to run incompetently, so that's
not a concern. It's true that it would be accompanied by universal
health care, but the experience of other countries that have it shows
that it's not that bad. Mostly your assertions are just rhetoric.
Unfortunately, in the real world there are people who will kick back
and do nothing but whine (as Phil Gramm pointed out) while expecting
the government to give them everything they ask for free. Some people
just don't have the personal motivation to live as Libertarians - to
"Live Free of Die".
Freedom to work for a corporate master is not freedom. 'Whining'
has nothing to do with it.
Socialism rapidly degenerates into first a feudal system and then an
autocracy.
And I suppose you could cite some real examples of this
transformation?
Do you REALLY want your whole life run by under-motivated civil
servants who have no personal knowledge of your situation and no
vested interest in improving it? People who can sit and watch, doing
nothing as a patient spends 24 hours dying from DVT while waiting in
an *Emergency Room*?
Government health care could actually prevent such tragedies;
private health care has no incentive to, especially in the form
in which we implement it. A truly private health system would
involve everyone paying cash up front and I don't see anyone
proposing that.
Andrew Usher
I do see the logic in your ideas. Your proposal is not all bad. I am
afraid however that in practice the truism, "Character is Destiny"
would still exert itself. IOWs, way too many people and groups would
convert those monthly checks straight into booze and crack
They're doing it now. A good 10% of the US lives this way. You want to make
it 90%?
and never
do anything useful or located in reality their whole lives. THe
Founders of this country mostly agreed that a system like ours really
only can work when the bulk of the people act for the most part in
socially responsible ways.
The population back then was mostly homogenous and literate. Craftsmen and
workers were well paid and lived decently for the time.
Freedom, at the end of the day, cannot
exist for long unless it is generally understood to mean freedom to
choose your own way to be industrious and un-hurtful. And how would
having children grow up (all children not just from loser/dependency
ridden groups) believing from birth that no effort from them is
required to be a member in good standing? Why is it that there is so
much downward mobility in America? Lots of kids of the successful fail
to develop the drive and sense of realism needed to get off their
asses.
Well, it's even higher among the unsucessful. At least the children of the
sucessful had a good model and probably got some education pounded into
their heads. The lower orders are completely lost with only rare exceptions.
I am of the opinion that the difference between progressive successful
societies and the other kind is found in how the top half behaves and
not in regard to the bottom layers. Inert, stoned, criminal folks are
the same everywhere. The question is, do the potential winners make a
dash for it or not.
So, is a trust fund from birth more like a cup of coffee in the
morning or a bong-hit of weed?
From what I've seen it's more like a sedative.
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You are totally wrong about the claim that in the late 18th century
craftsmen and workers were well paid and live decently for the time. The
thing that kept the population from pressuring the Indians and grabbing
more land on the frontier was that most people did not have much if any
financial resources. Land was the great attraction since if you could
successfully farm well chosen land you could manage to live off the land
and generate enough income to purchase those small essentials that any
household needed and each generation could increase in material wealth
generated by very hard labor and shortened life spans. The women were
worked to death. Only those who managed to marry a rich man could count
on a reasonable life span. Those who married poor were sure to perish
from overwork. And when those who had no land entered the factories they
were doomed. The budding capitalists who built factories were without
any hearts at all. They worked women and young people until they
dropped. Any attempt a labor activism led to immediate firing. It was a
tough life.
FK |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Libertarianism is FORCE (was Re: Help end wage-slavery) |
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On Jul 12, 5:40 pm, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jul 12, 6:10 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Andrew Usher wrote:
On Jul 12, 9:54 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
If you think things are expensive when you pay for them, just wait
until the government gives them to you for free. Government cannot
award people what it first has not stolen from them. What one man
receives without effort is confiscated from another who labors.
1) Do not penalize the productive.
2) Do not reward the unproductive.
3) Bottom line: Do NOTHING - no social engineering.
4) All economic problems will solve themselves within 90 days.
5) The alternative is mathematically inevitable utter ruin,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/comprom.htm
We are from the government. We are here to help ourselves to you.. We
have come for a piece of all mankind.
This isn't an argument and I'm well out of high school.
Your 'plan' is nothing.
That's right, nothing. No government interference except for the big
things like national defense and currency - then, good and hard. The
indigent will not starve less State-mandated charity. They will work
or starve. That's a good choice. That is always the best choice
throughout history. If you cannot afford medical care you die, or
medical care recouples price and cost. Hey homie, don't get shot or
stabbed in a gang turf war without a bankroll.
Uncle Al should be thanked for demonstrating what is only
implicit in the arguments of most libertarians: namely, that
libertarianism isn't really an ideology at all, it has no
intellectual argument behind it, it is simply force in the
service of the corporate slave-masters, lies to persuade
the proles that they're really good for us. Hence it deserves
zero credibility.
Why do libertarians think this way? It is because they
fantasise they they are such special people that they
would 'make it' in any social system, so no matter what
help they needed to get where they are, they can
rationalise that as irrelevant.
Andrew Usher
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I see Al viewpoints are those of an old line Progressive based on a
Darwinian
survival of the fittest concept. Libertarians will proposed one
damaged
by pollution sue the polluter, but of course the "conservatives"
have cap damages and stacked the deck in the legal systems.
This is all a dance. When a party is out of power it can propose
its "ideal" solutions but once in power it has its set of
less than ideal solutions. The far Left read the far Right and
they both copy each other. And the middle parties are often
rotten to the core and are beholden to those who brought
to the big party.
All government steal whether they are Libertarian, Progressive,
Representative,
Democratic, or Autocratic. In a pinch they will draft the young and
the able to offer on the alter of Mars. Does this prevent worse
things? Sometimes but often not. |
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